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[CLOSED]AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« on: 14 January, 2015, 09:08:49 PM »
By the power given to me by Our King and with sole intention to protect the order and follow the laws of Kingdom of Saxony, High Court by own initiative start this prosecution against crimes committed by Dietmar Von Eppenstein, subject of Kingdom of Saxony.

I give the ground to Prosecution represented by Martin Wagner, Chancellor of the Kingdom, to present accusation against the Defendant. This must be done in 24 hours.

For Defendant  24 hours are given to find a lawyer who will represent him in this session. If he fail to do so Defendant will must defend by himself.
« Last Edit: 20 January, 2015, 12:49:59 AM by Ernst Weber »

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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #1 on: 15 January, 2015, 01:23:56 AM »
Honorable judge Ernst Weber,

unfortunatly under this conditions i can't follow you request.

1. If you want to put a trial on me you have to tell me what i am accused. (look it up in the game wiki)
2. If you want a trial you have to use the in game functions not just the forums.
3. You are the judge of Bremen, so you can not call me in front of a court in Kiev. You can only judge me for violating saxonian law in saxony, not in Kiev.

Until you manage to make up a proper process i can't tell you anything. Even if i wanted, until you tell me what i am accused for i don't know what to tell you.

By the way my lawyer will be Götz v. Berlichingen.

Now you got some homework. Get your job properly done or let it be.

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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #2 on: 15 January, 2015, 08:54:12 AM »
Your Honor,

To avoid problems previous judge has with court sesion performing because of incompetence and lack of knowladge abour court procedure I plad this court sesion to be proceded as example for strict following the rules.

I will also take freedom to answer some questions Defendants has about procedures, and ask you for pardon if you prefer to do so personaly.

As it is stated here: http://wiki.medieval-europe.eu/index.php?title=The_Trial there is a tree steps to open court procedure.

I. If so the Judge then opens that trial in the appropriate Kingdom Court of Law sub-forum.

It is done as we can see here.

II . He would then notify both the Defendant and the Prosecutor via PM of the trial along with a URL link to the pertinent trial post.

It is done. All accused receive a letter:

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Subject: Call to court

Text: Dear Sir,

You are called to the court of Kiev to answer to accusation in violating of Saxony laws.

This is the link to the court session: (URL of court session)

This text is provided to us from our collegue from Kiev so there was a understandable copy-paste error with mentioning court of Kiev. But it is acceptable  because the main goal of letter is to inform accused about opened court session and providing hiwm with URL (something previous Judge fail to do according case archives)

III. Also the Judge of the Kingdom where the trial is taking place must use the in-game functions of the Court House building menu to create the Crime Procedure. In the form he needs to fill out:

    The name of the Defendant
    A summary of the crime(s) he is accused of
    The URL link to the Trial

Once submitted, the Judge can go back to the Court menu to view and administer the Crime Procedure.


All trials was opened in Court building in game. I dont know why defendants think that they must be visible for them, but if it so they must report to admin technical malfunction. Cases are opened in game in 10 minutes period after forum topics are created and administration can check and confirm it.

Now , your honor, I would like to plead for procedural issue. I see that you wish to combain two phases of court :

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1: Starting the Trial:

The Judge starts the Trial. He must present the Defendant and the Prosecutor and ask them if they want to appoint an Attorney (Defense) or a Barrister (Prosecution).

The Defendant and the Prosecutor must declare if they want to appoint someone or not, and tell the Judge who they are appointing.
Also, if the Defendant and the Prosecutor can’t find lawyers and can’t speak the native language of the Judge or of the other Parts, they can ask to have a “Basic English” trial, so that it could be understood using common translating tools.
This whole step must be done within 24 hours from the Judge’s opening post.

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2: Opening remarks by the Prosecution:

The Prosecution should open the trial with a presentation of the facts of the case, and a listing of what laws were broken by the Defendant. All evidence should be presented at this time and may take the form of a Screenshot (see sidebar).
The Prosecution can call up to two Witnesses, who will present their witness.
This whole step must be done within 24 hours from the Prosecutor post.

I ask you to not do so , as I say previously, because of my wish this court session to be an exemplar. I ask you for permision to have my 24 hours to present my accusation only after Defendant name his lawyer or state thet he will defend by himself.

I hope my plead will be accepted.


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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #3 on: 16 January, 2015, 06:14:17 PM »
Defendant name for his lawyer citizen Götz v.Berlichingen. From this moment he has the right to speak in this session. If in any moment Defendant decide to stop using a lawyer and continue to defend himself he will need to contact me.

Prosecution have 24 hours from this moment to present accusations against the Defendant.

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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #4 on: 17 January, 2015, 10:19:51 PM »
Your Honor,

On 8 Nov 1314 AD Kingdom of Saxony, ruled by Marius Von Schliefen, declare a war to Grand Principality of Kiev. This is the date was the beginning of the most terrible period in history of Saxony. Ex-king Marius become an enemy of mighty and resourceful country populated with brave and pride people, and with this act make whole Saxony a target for their vengeance, especially after conquering of kievan province Pinsk with its population. All this acts of Marius`s government was not provoked in any way from peoples of Kiev. As Marius himself state in his letter to His Majesty king Radost , he start this war because he have some issues with Prussia. The connection between issues Saxony-Prussia and aggression against Kievan territory is unclear. But outcomes from this actions are very clear - religious riots, repressions for over 50% of saxonian population, creating of concentration camp in Pinsk, and in the end revolution.

All this create suffering and inconveniences for all people of Saxony - those who live here many years in peace and serenity and those  who become citizens of Saxony in result of Saxon aggression.

In this Prosecution see a violation of National Security Act, as all actions of Marius`s, and after that Herald`s government have as result disturbance of the peace and internal security of Saxony.

When peoples of Saxony, when their patience came to the end, rose up against the hated ruler, Dietmar Von Eppenstein was at the forefront of the defense of the tyrant. The prosecution believes that only the partners of the king in his nefarious deeds against the people dared to raise a hand against the ordinary people who want to restore justice, peace and serenity in the country.

Prosecution see in this open offence against people of Saxony and violation of National Security Act via disturbance of the peace and internal security of Saxony. So Prosecution ask for maximum punishment of fine of 1000 sp and 3 days of imprisonment.

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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #5 on: 18 January, 2015, 12:05:29 AM »
Lord Martin,

You are late with over 4 hours. This is unacceptable and I will not tolerate this in future. I understand that weekend is a time for children and family but you must remember that every hour you late is stolen from the time for family of those who wait final verdict under restrain.

Also I am disapointed from your work. If thi is the only accusation and evidence for the guilt of Dietmar Von Eppenstein I will advice you to withdraw them so this man can be free as soon as posible. As a knight he chose his side in batle and fight bravely till fall, we cant judge hism for his understanding of knightly honor and his punishment was delivered by the hand of lord Viktor Volkov in the battle.

So I give the ground for Defence. Citizen Götz v.Berlichingen can present his plead. Also I hope to receive a letter from Prosecution with acceptance of my advice.

For beeing late Prosecutor must pay 48 sp compensation to Defendant after all trials are finished.
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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #6 on: 18 January, 2015, 09:26:21 AM »
Defence complies with the Judge's suggestion of droping all untenable charges brought up against my client and requests compensation for his losses.
« Last Edit: 18 January, 2015, 09:35:42 AM by Götz v.Berlichingen »

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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #7 on: 18 January, 2015, 11:22:04 PM »
About trial agains Dietmar Von Eppenstein we reach an agreement with the Prosecution.

Court ask from the Defendant personally to declare that he will not take in future any action agains Saxony, saxons (born in saxony or coming to it in any way) or current or future governments of Saxony incluring participating in plots against the Saxony and its government or in military comapings agains Saxonian Land as it is now.

If he did so he will be reliesed and will be allowed to stay in Saxony or leave it, new government will not demand his obidience or loyalty oath, and will hope that he is a honest and knightly man who will keep his word in the name of peace for his motherland. By the will of king Radost Defendant will be allowed to perform his religious duties and the crown will grant him permision to rebuild ruined durin religious riots temples. If not - he will be releised but banished from the Saxony and must leave its lands in 24 hours.

As this trial is officialy over, we do not need services of citizen Götz v.Berlichingen anymore and he can concentrate on other cases. We thank him for his cooperation.
« Last Edit: 18 January, 2015, 11:24:02 PM by Ernst Weber »

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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #8 on: 19 January, 2015, 12:34:34 AM »
Objection, your Honor.

As much as my client appreciates the will of this institution to settle for an abbreviated closing of this trial, I remind you again to stick to the proceedures. Taking an oath as a condition for being released from restrain is not covered by trial proceedures, nor does this court possess the authority to demand such an oath.

An orderly trial can only be ended by the announcement of a verdict by the judge which can either be guilty or not-guilty as charged by the prosecutor.

Quote from: wiki, The Trial
7: Verdict by the Judge:
The judge then weighs the facts and evidence presented by both parties and renders the Verdict. The Verdict can either be Guilty or Not-Guilty.

Assuming prosecution has no more charges to bring up, I demand again my client to be set free immediately.

Defence will agree upon closure of this trial as soon as I have received notification of my clients release and demands for repetations have been sadisfied appropriately.

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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #9 on: 19 January, 2015, 12:47:57 AM »
Citizen Götz v.Berlichingen,

As I say you are released from your duties as a lawyer, and just now you act against interests of your ex-clients. As I say - they will be released as soon as it posible and needed orders are already given.  If your clients  insist we can continue with trial but my verdict may be will not be so generous.

The only think I ask from Defendant personaly to answer which option he prefer:

1. To declare that he will not take in future any action agains Saxony, saxons (born in saxony or coming to it in any way) or current or future governments of Saxony incluring participating in plots against the Saxony and its government or in military comapings agains Saxonian Land as it is now. If he did so he will be reliesed and will be allowed to stay in Saxony or leave it, new government will not demand his obidience or loyalty oath, and will hope that he is a honest and knightly man who will keep his word in the name of peace for his motherland.

2. To refuse  such declaration and will be releised but banished from the Saxony and must leave its lands in 24 hours.

3. To continue this trail till verdict be pronounced.

This answer must be given by Defendant personaly. If you again take the ground without my permision I will fine you.

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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #10 on: 19 January, 2015, 02:05:58 AM »
Dear Mr. 30-days-old-snooty-nosed-little-upstart Weber,
exactly the opposite is true!

We've been playing along for the sake of the game with your little charade of set-up trials until this point.
But this court has significantly violated proceedured all along these trials and I intended to present my charges to this court in my final speech. But since you insist on stretching the restrains way over every limit and keep prohibiting my person from orderly conducting my defence at every given chance I will request other institutions to put an end to this farce.

I accuse you of holding fake trials with no substance at all only to intimidate my clients and everybody involved.

I have carefully documented all your failures and those of the prosecution and will present them to the honorable masters of the Supreme Court to have you answer to them,  leaving it to their valued judgement to resolve these cases.

It's a pitty to watch you fail even on this level of the game but, to be blunt, noone was expecting any different from you to begin with.

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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #11 on: 19 January, 2015, 12:04:23 PM »
A letter arrives from Supreme Court: "Judge cannot impose conditions for declaring a player guilty or not-guilty."

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Re: AZ: 1314/025 The people against Dietmar Von Eppenstein
« Reply #12 on: 20 January, 2015, 12:49:44 AM »
After consultations with High Court of Europe and king Radost:

We declare the defendant Dietmar Von Eppenstein guilty of minor violation of  National Security Act. The Defendant will be set free but its exiled and should leave the country in 72 hours.

By this I close this trial.

Additional infromation: King Radont give a permission if Defendant accept the declration mentioned above, he will grant him ful pardon.